Angela Leet, Founder of ALEET Co
Instead of being intimidated working in a predominantly male industry, Angela Leet embraces and radiates her inner badass. She founded ALEET Co, a full-service construction management company located in her hometown Louisville, Kentucky. Angela is a first-generation college graduate who then went on to earn a Masters of Engineering and a Master’s of Business Administration. Beyond her business career, Angela is a community leader dedicated to helping others achieve and give back to her hometown. In 2018, Angela was the first female general ballot candidate for the mayor of Louisville, Kentucky.
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Episode Content
- How Angela Started ALEET
- Building Self Esteem and Jumping Over Expectations
- Construction is a Man’s World and Angela is Changing That
- Running for Louiseville Mayor
- Social Media and PR in Local Politics
- Nothing Worth Having is Easy
How Angela Leet Started ALEET and Entered The Male-Dominated Industry of Construction Management
Mimi:
Thank you so much, Angela, for coming on today.
Angela:
So excited to be here with you Mimi. Thank you for asking me.
Mimi:
So I would love for you to just start out and talk about your background and how you started ALEET.
Angela:
Okay. You know, I think life is always an adventure, right? If you go back to the core of it, and I was thinking about what kind of questions you might ask and thought, okay, she’s going to ask how I started it. How did it happen? And I think a lot of times things happen on the basis of your circumstances, but by what’s set before you, and what can you do with that? It’s that whole, you know, I hate to use cliche, but that’s the easiest thing sometimes is to say, you know, make lemonade with lemons and certainly didn’t have lemons to start with. But just the idea of it was kind of started back when I was transitioning from a corporate world environment to motherhood to, gosh, what am I going to do next? And knowing that I had all this education, I was the kid who never imagined being a stay at home mom. I didn’t see that as being what would drive me the most. And I ended up a, kind of a blended situation where I tried to start a company while exiting the corporate world. And then my husband also had a startup. So we were both kind of in a startup mode. And the dilemma is both parents can’t work a hundred hours a week and still raise a child. It just not possible. Cause I might as well have, you know, hand off the kid to somebody else and say, here you raise it, but that’s not what I signed up for. So I found myself in a position where I kind of had to step back from my own career pursuit, knowing that I would never fully exit from the areas that I had background in. So I started off after college with my masters in engineering, moving to South Texas and working in the oil and gas industry at a facility that was doing a $1 billion construction project. Now this is a billion dollars 25 years ago. So who knows what that would be today? I’d have to do my NPV and figure out what my net present value of that number is, but it’s huge. So we had five, 6,000 construction workers on site every day. So I found myself working in kind of that construction environment. So they gave me some of the background, but I was also still working for manufacturing firms. So it wasn’t just pure construction. It was how do I help set up the operating systems and the processes to make sure that people are complying with, in my case, environmental regulations. So helping them do their job while still complying with what the EPA and the state environmental agency, as well as local environmental agency, as well as local residents expected in terms of that construction project and the operation of that facility. And so that gave me some of the background I needed to feel like, okay, construction. I really have always enjoyed doing things with my hands building. So when I was in that transition phase between the corporate world, having my own company, recognizing that I couldn’t work a hundred hours a week and be a new mom, it’d be good at both because we’re women, we like to be good at everything. It’s not, it’s not okay to just be average at everything. We have to be great at everything. And I recognize I couldn’t be great at everything because new mom is huge, new business was huge. So I took a step back and said, okay, I’m in a position. Thankfully, financially I could take what I got from my severance, from my corporate world, take the options and stuff I’d gotten there while I was employed with them and utilize that to sit back and kind of find my way for a moment. So I got involved in my community that I had been away from for 12 years and got involved in habitat for humanity, which if you know anything about that nonprofit, they’re a great agency that believes in a hand up, not a handout. And so you work with partner families to build new homes. So I got to do my construction work while volunteering for someone else. And I got to control the amount of time that I was putting into it, cause I still had a newborn. And so that gave me more of that confidence, you know, and I think part of the thing for women is our lack of self esteem at times. And I think it’s shocking that we don’t even know we have self-esteem. We think we, we think we have a lot of self esteem and then we realized, wait a minute, why am I not pursuing that? It’s because of my own fear, my own over analization of what are the successes and failures going to be. So then I started the consulting company and one of my first projects was a commercial project where I was serving as a construction manager and overseeing basically as a construction manager, overseeing the project budget and timeline. And I remember I, at this point now was getting ready to have my second child while I was doing the construction project. And I remember just being, I always laid it out on the line for the guys. I’m very much an open book. And I remember as we started project meetings and I was still, you know, I was one of those pregnant people who barfed my guts out for about 30 weeks of the 40 week pregnancy. So I wasn’t always the best person to be around, but I told him, I said, I’ll be at that project meeting, but you better have crackers and ginger ale. And if I leave the room, close your ear, I laid it out there for him. And then even when it came time to do the finish the punch list at the end of the project, I had my youngest son who was only four weeks old at the time and a baby boy and I was nursing doing a finished punch list on a, you know, and that was relatively small. Building was 15,000 square feet and it takes several hours and I was in the middle and I was like, uh, guys, you’re going to have to excuse me for about 20 minutes because I got to go do something with all of this. It’s not going to keep working for me to just have all the women out there now. And if you’re having had kids yet, you will know your boobs can get extremely engorged and painful. If you don’t pump them or let that child eat while, while you’re going, can’t wait too long. Can’t wait too long. So you just learned to roll with it. And then, you know, I was always just straight forward with the guys. I was always working with guys and I remember having crying babies in the back of the car and they’re like, Oh, do you need to call me back later? I’m like, well, it’s not bothering me cause I can, I can build the wall and I can put it all around and I can focus on what conversation I’m having and chaos can be going on around me, but I can still have whatever conversation I’m having. It’s a trait that men don’t have. I don’t think. And I said, well, I can call you back if it’s bothering you, but I’m fine. I can hear what you’re saying. I could ignore what’s in the back seat, screaming. We’re all doing. I had the opportunity to kind of tip toe into it. So that was a long way of saying I tiptoed into it because it’s what I like to do. I like to see the results of doing kind of that hands on work. And while I didn’t actually put up any concrete walls on that first project I did or have to put any structural steel up. I was highly engaged in the process and knew who was responsible for what and what they were supposed to be doing. And what I didn’t know, sometimes you go out there and you act like, you know what you’re doing? And then thank God for Google because you can sit there and research the hell out of it afterwards. But I think you always have to present forward that confidence and that self esteem and you can’t what God shake you. I mean, you know, that’s the part of the guys might want to call me a bitch. The girls call me a bad ass.
Mimi:
Exactly. It’s funny because my five-year-old one time and this how the name came about for the podcast. Cause I have a five-year-old and one day she was doing something, I was like, that’s so badass Lilly. And she goes down, not a badass. And she starts crying, like thinking that I’m like saying something negative about her and she’s like, I’m a good ass. And I’m like, and I’m like, I was trying to explain to her, I’m like, no, it’s actually positive. It’s like, it’s like saying like you’re just strong when you’re, you’re taking charge. And so it’s just funny, like that’s kind of, and then all of a sudden we were, I was thinking about it that day and I was like, wait a second. That would be a, kind of a cool name for the pocket. And that’s how the whole thing kind of started. But I love your story. I think it’s very inspiring because you know, that was another one of my questions is like you’re in a man’s world. Right? And a lot of times men don’t want to listen to women. I hate to say it, but it’s true. Like if my husband asks the same question, they move a little quicker or they not all, not everybody, but there are some, have you found that to be like an obstacle or are they pretty much, you know, once you got to know them, it’s fine and roll with the punches?
Angela:
I think I’ve always taken a theme in my life. And I guess this is maybe how people have come to associate with me associate kind of that. Trying to be a lots of times. I’m just trying to be badass even if I’m not, but I think it’s like having that mentality of never being a victim. So I remember one of my first major, like kind of scuffles right after college, I was on that. And you know, on that construction site with 5,000 construction workers, I was trying to ensure with the team and I was working on a team. So I was one of a team of guys that were working to make sure that as we were constructing this facility, we were complying with all of the environmental protection agency’s rules, as well as the state rules. And I had a subcontractor who was out working on old pipeline. It had asbestos on it. They were responsible for removing the pipeline and putting a new pipeline in. They weren’t following the procedures needed to be done. So I went out there and I remember to basically say, Hey, you know, here’s the things that we need to do to make sure that we’re complying with the laws that we’ve got to follow. And I remember him patting me on my hard hat and saying look, Missy, we’ve got this under control. And I remember having to, I was thinking, all right, here’s my moment, right? Because you got to make a decision. You either say, all right, this guy is scaring the shit out of me. Or you say, you know what? I know what I’m doing. And I’m going to tell you how this is actually going to happen. And that’s what I did. I stood up to him and I probably hadn’t been on the job more than three months at this point. And I said, well, sir, let me tell you actually, how this is going to happen. I hold your work permit. And if you want to continue to have your crew out here today, you’re going to follow our rules and his tone completely changed. And then we had to have a discussion because he realized, wait a minute, she could kick me off the job site. And then I don’t get to pay my guys today. I might lose the job because I get behind on the schedule. Now he had to make a choice too. He was either gonna actually attempt to have a conversation. And we were going to come up with a compromise that worked, that met everybody’s criteria, or instead of being a bad ass, he was going to be a jackass and he was going to have to kick his crew out. And that’s one of those stories. You just, for me kind of set a tone in my career. And I think you have those little nuggets of experience that happened throughout your career that helped you prepare you for the next time I wasn’t doing. I remember I had moved on to a new company and I was, we were doing our first major community open house. This is a chemical company. They have this reputation of not being transparent with their community. I had convinced our management team let’s do a community open house. Let’s invite everybody in, let him see what we’re doing. Educate them more about how we do protect the environment while we’re still producing this product and what the benefits for the community and for the greater good of society is by the products that we create here. And I got management to buy into it. So I put a team together. We did this community open house, and I remember running around the morning of kind of in a panic mode. Cause I’m still, you know, I’m a, probably only 27 at this point. And I remember one of the management team, one of the plant managers came up to me. He says, okay, Angela. She said, did you prepare? And I said, absolutely says, did you put the right team together? I said, most certainly. And he says, have you thought about all the different scenarios and plan as best you could? And I said, 100%, I had the best team. We’ve put a lot of work into this. We thought about everything. We thought about the experience that the community members going to have coming in, how it’s going to affect employees who are there working plus the employees who are presenting to the community. And he says, don’t sweat the small stuff. And that moment, you know, of course, everybody says, don’t sweat the small stuff, but until you’re in that moment and somebody really gives it to you and smacks you in the face with it, you’re like, yeah, I’ve prepared.
Building Self Esteem and Jumping Over Expectations
Yeah, I got this. You know, those little things that help you build that self esteem that I mentioned earlier, or because him coming up in like, just giving me those boom, boom, boom questions and saying, did you do this? Did you do that? Of course I did those things, I’m female, I over organized, but he helped build my self esteem up. And I said, yeah, I got this. And it went off without a hitch. It was a huge hit. In fact, other plants in the area decided to start to follow our lead because we were one of the first ones to ever do it. And it ended up being a smash. And I think we look for those opportunities and you don’t know when they’re going to happen. Those opportunities to build self esteem. I try not to overthink that I have to live in a man’s world to do what I love to do, because that would just put me in that victim mentality. I look at it as if I could do a construction analogy about a roadblock or a concrete barrier. If I’m trying to get to point B and I’m at point a and there’s a concrete barrier there, I’m going to find a different way to get around it. Okay. I’m driving in a car. Well, I can’t drive through the concrete barrier. Can I walk around it now? Let’s say it’s 20 miles long. No, I can’t get to point B because it take too long to walk around it, but by God I could jump over it. Maybe, you know, there’s other solutions, there’s always a bunch of different ways to get to the answer. And so that’s one of the beauties also being a female, they tend to sometimes set the bar too low for you. Right. So they don’t have high expectations. So then it doesn’t take much to bang it out of the park.
Mimi:
That’s a good way of looking at it.
Angela:
Yeah. That’s the beauty of it. There are times where I’ve learned to use being a female in a male industry to my advantage. Okay. I put myself in that position and if I have to be sweet to somebody, I, I can pour on sweet. I can pour on bitch. I can pour on whatever, you know, I can wear my yoga pants or I can wear my cowboy outfit or I can wear my formal gown, whatever the event is, I can show up prepared in the right outfit. And it’s the same thing. You know, when you’re out in the field and the construction, depending on who you’re dealing with, sometimes you got to put shit kickers on and kick the shit out. Other times, you’re just gonna take them to the dance, give them everything they need. Treat them sweet.
Mimi:
Yeah, it’s true. I mean, I started out in investment banking, which was pretty much an all man’s world, but I’ve also been friends with guys my whole life. Like I just get along with guys in general. And so, you know, I enjoy their company, whatever, but I think like I was explaining to my daughter once, like I don’t think of myself as different, if that makes sense. Like I don’t walk into a room and be like, Oh, I’m here with three guys. I’m super nervous. Like three, you know, my boss is a male and the VP is a male and Oh no. Like I don’t think if I walk in and it’s like, I’m a person and they’re a person. That’s how I kind of approach it. I think. And that’s kind of what I think you’re getting at. I just have the confidence of like, there’s no reason why you’re not the same person as they are.
Angela:
I belong to the table as much as you do.
Mimi:
And that’s exactly, exactly. That’s kind of how I feel. So do you mostly build residential or commercial?
Angela:
Commercial.
Mimi:
Okay. And then the hardest part.
Angela:
Which is totally different because I think that, you know, commercial tends to be, you know, I’ve done residential, but only one or two little projects and it’s so much more emotional. Just, I’m not that real strong emotional female. If you want to call it a continuum, I tend to be more on the male-ish side tomboy because now we don’t have, I was a tomboy growing up and I tend to be on that tomboy side. So I’m not attached to a whole bunch of emotions. I’ve really had that engineer’s brain that says, okay, how do we get to the solution? We need to be over there. How are we going to get there? And somebody might have an, you know, if they have a better idea than me, I’m like, let’s do it. I don’t care how we get there. I just want to get there. And if somebody tells me it can’t be done well, you can bet you I’m going to figure out. Yes, it will be done.
Mimi:
Right. Right. And so commercial is not as, as you said, emotional,
Angela:
It’s not as emotional and you’re and you do tend to stay more in than in the male-dominated side of it. Cause I think on residential, you do end up working more with women, you know, it’s, it’s interesting. I say that women drive the economy because we’re the ones that actually make a lot of the financial decisions of our households on a whole lot of things. And it’s interesting how often we’re excluded from some of the actual dollar number conversations. It’s true. That is true.
Construction is a Man’s World and You Have To Face The Barriers in Order to Break Through
Mimi:
What do you think has been the hardest part about running your business?
Angela:
As much as you hate to say it, it is a boy’s world. So you still have to break in through that barrier to make sure that people are paying attention to the value, add you have and acknowledge that you can bring things to the table that might not be obvious. And I think sometimes that’s the harder part because, and I think some of it happens and you would know this from investment banking at times, women tend to be a little slower in their decision making and more and more thoughtful, I should say more thoughtful in their decision. Making men tend to boom, let’s go. And if it ends up being a total fuck up, they’re not worried about it. They’re going to deal with that garbage later, but they’re going to get, they’re going to start. And then they might realize, Oh, wait a minute. I’ve started adding. Ain’t going to work the way I wanted. And then they redirect women, I think. And I’ll speak only for me. My truth is is that sometimes I fear starting because I don’t know exactly how I’m going to get there. And so I hold myself back. When in reality, I would have been far better off if I’d followed my instincts. If I’d gone with what my intuition tells me and just done it.
Mimi:
It’s like analysis paralysis. You just kind of
Angela:
Correct. Yeah. And I think that’s a trait that women have. And I don’t know that it’s not a bad trait. I think we just have to be aware of that and make sure that that’s not, what’s keeping us from moving forward.
Mimi :
Right. Set a limit, set a time. Yes. At a timeframe set something, you know, like, okay, I’m going to give myself 24 hours and tomorrow morning I gotta make a decision or I’m going to gather all my information in and whatever, some system or something that triggers when you’re making that decision. Right.
Angela:
And realizing that you don’t have to necessarily have every piece of information. I think that was one of the biggest things I learned from politics because you could analyze everything to the nth degree and still try to collect more information and more data. And then that would be all you ever did. You would never make any progress. And I think sometimes you have to go with what your instinct tells you is the right thing to do. And sometimes that’s in an absence of, of some of the data.
Running for Mayor of Louiseville – The First Female on the General Ballot
Mimi:
Exactly. We’ve speaking of, since you just mentioned politics, I would love to touch on your run for mayor in Louisville and you being the first female on the general ballot. Can you speak to that? I mean, it’s just phenomenal that you did that and you got so far. I would love to just talk a little bit about that experience.
Angela:
Politics is also still a predominantly male environment, I know we’re starting to see a lot more female faces, but that’s kind of a new phenomenon. I think that it’s still a predominantly male environment. I mean, when you look at leadership and I don’t know what your state leadership necessarily looks like in terms of at the state house and state Senate level, if you have a variety of women, I can tell you that in Kentucky, we’re starting to see some movement upwards in that for women, but it’s been a slow time coming. And I think it makes it interesting. And I think you certainly to do politics people like, Oh my God, isn’t that the scariest thing ever. And I think you do it because you want to be part of the solution and you don’t to sit on the sidelines and you see things that you object to happening around you and voting of course is one way to voice your opinion about the things that are happening around you. But in other ways, to sit at the table and actually start to rake through all the dirt to figure out what’s actually happening. And when you start looking, you know, I always think of the wizard of Oz because when you start to look behind the curtain, you certainly aren’t getting what you thought you were getting. And I wish there was a good way to get people engaged and trying to understand the process more because there’s, gosh, we could talk for hours and hours and hours on the ways that things don’t work, the way they should or the way that we would have them work in our household. You know, as you make things bigger and bigger, they get more complicated. And so some of the stuff because of the largeness of it gets brushed under the rug and really that’s not an effective way to do it, but it shouldn’t be government’s responsibility to do some of that. I don’t know if I answered your question. We need women sitting at the table because we bring a totally different thing. What I don’t want women to do is sit at the table and only be emotional. I want women to show what they can bring to the table, which is their, their solutions. They are more empathetic than men. So we need that. They have that caring nature and that nurture side of them. And I think there’s a place for that in government and how it’s and how we operate government. But we also have to recognize there’s a balance, right? There’s a moderation of extremes. And how do we get to that and create compromise?
Mimi:
I think the reason why people don’t run is because they’re afraid of being just completely torn apart by the media on your way of running. Have you found that to be the case where they just dig into your family and pull everything out?
Angela:
Yes, very much so. I hate to say it, but as a young adult, when I was in high school, I remember from time to time and I know it’s probably very unusual, but there would be times where we would be deciding what we were going to go do on the weekends with my group of friends. And in the back of my head, I had this little voice that would say to me, well, if you get caught, would it affect your political career?
Mimi:
Oh, so you kind of knew in the back of your mind.
Angela:
I had, I thought, okay, do I want that long term? You know, and I just wondered now, gosh, what do our kids do now with all this social media? Or how would that, if I’d had all the social media back there, how would that have potentially changed things for me? Because we’re all human. None of us are perfect, but somehow I think the press gets to define what that version of perfect is.
Social Media and Public Image
Mimi:
Right. Cause it’s changed. Right? Look how much it’s changed just in like the past 10 years, like since Obama, like it was okay to smoke pot, whereas like 20 years ago, that’s it? That would have discredit you, you would not have been able to.
Angela:
Right. That’s right. And I think that that’s what we should be looking at more often is the character of the individuals who are running. What is it that they want to add to the mix? That character statement is so true on so many fronts for so many different topics, especially now is what is the content of their character? And do they have the best interests of others or are they trying to self promote or what is the balance? Are they looking for what their next position is mostly, or they really want to be a public servant? Or is it a combination of both? And what’s the balance and am I willing to support that? And I was probably more worried about it from how it might affect my kids. You know, you don’t want to draw unnecessary attention on them in a negative way. And I think probably only a couple of negative things happen to me during the campaign. One, I knew it wouldn’t take long for me to be called a racist and sorry. But I was, I was actually citing New York times articles about a particular situation in our community. I was citing New York times information as my source, but I was a racist. And I’m like, well, I didn’t make up the number or the data it’s right there from the New York times. You know? So that was hurtful because the individuals said it was somebody I’d literally walked miles with talking, sharing parts of our lives and trying to have a better understanding and perspective of their truth versus mine and my perspective and what my experiences were. And then I had another situation where I found out some information and you try to pass it on to the media to get them to run the story so people can become aware of it because unfortunately, unless you have just oodles and oodles of money sitting around to buy the ad space, to get it out there, which is excessively expensive to do, you have to rely on the media to report stories.And I had found out one particular situation that was really abhorrent of our current mayor. Couldn’t get a single media outlet to report it, not a single one. And you ask why, well, because they have a bias.
Mimi:
That’s where Twitter comes in, right?
Angela:
You have to find a different outlet, right? You can’t call the press the barrier, you know, and I think that’s what Trump found was that he got frustrated that there was a barrier there and he says, I’m not going to let that be my barrier for getting out what I need to get out now. Does he always pick the best words? No. Or the best time or the best. Anyway, if you’re angry and frustrated, we all say things that we regret at times, we’re human, we’re flawed, human and flaw go together.
Mimi:
Yeah. We’re not perfect. Okay. So what last minute kind of advice or tips that you would give another female who either wants to run for office? I mean, do you, first of all, do you regret running?
Angela:
Oh no. Every day I’m thankful I did it, especially as things have transpired in our community. And safety has deteriorated. Division has increased. People are angrier than they’ve ever been. And I feel like I couldn’t have averted it at all. That would just be very hypocritical for me to sit here and say, Oh, we could have avoided a lot of that. If I’d been mayor. I don’t think that, but I certainly think that I would have handled it completely different and there would be a completely different set of outcomes. And I strongly believe that those outcomes would be better for everyone in our union.
Mimi:
So maybe you’ll run again,
Angela:
Never when people ask and I’ve had the conversation with people about, well, are you going to run for mayor again and trying to figure out how to help? You know, I’ve really, I spend, I spend time every single day thinking about what could I do to help right now in our community to help heal, to help unify, to help create conversation. And when people are angry, I’m not sure how we communicate with people who are angry. It’s true. I’ve thought about it. I’ve tried to think about it when I’m trying to deal with an angry child, how do you deal with an angry child? Okay. If you’re a mom who has kids think about how you’ve dealt with him, you can never dissipate that anger or with a spouse. And you know, when you get angry with each other and anger happens and how do we move past it? I don’t know. Times seems to be one of the things that helps with that, but that’s true.
Mimi:
It’s like getting an email that you’re angry about and you’d be like, don’t respond, like sleep on it. Give yourself a two hours, go for a walk, something just calm down, but space between
Angela:
Right. That’s what I’ve always done. I’ve sat on it to your point. Don’t send it while you’re mad. Wait 24 hours, go on a walk, come sleep on it, look at it again. Make sure it’s really what you want to say. And if it is then hit the send button because there’s satisfaction in that too. Cause you gotta hold your line at times.
Anything Worth Having Isn’t Easy To Get
Mimi:
That’s true. Any last minute advice or tips for any women that either wants to run for political office or have a career or a business in construction or a man’s world,
Angela:
The kind of the easiest way to sum that up is anything worth having isn’t easy to get.
Mimi:
Ooo, that’s good. I like that.
Angela:
I think, you know, I had to kind of reinvent after losing the mayoral rates because I had been on city council and I had to give up that seat in order to run. So I found myself, you know, fully engaged at the table when I was on city council and running for mayor to completely on the outside again. And how do I reestablish? Right. So kind of everything got swept out. Then you start planning for, okay, how am I going to reestablish what I’m going to work on and learning to be patient learning that it’s going to take a little bit of work every single day and it’s not going to be easy work. It’s going to be hard work and you can apply that on so many levels to so many different aspects. I can apply it to. I had probably gained, I don’t know, 20 or 30 pounds while I was running for mayor. I okay. Refocus. I’m not comfortable being, you know, I was like my six or seven months pregnant weight and I was getting ready to turn 50. So I was like, okay, I got to refocus on that. So I got to go back and find that new balance, right. And then start to work and not be afraid of the work that it’s gonna take to get what I want to get. And if I’m not sure what I want to get taking the time to look internally and reflect on what my needs are to guide me to where I need to go and what I need to be doing. So that would be some of it. I would be, you know, that it’s not going to be easy. Anything worth having is not easy to get. My college degree was not easy to get, but it’s definitely been worth it. It’s opened a ton of doors for me being in the construction industry. Not always easy, but I’ve gotten a lot of rewards and made amazing relationships and friendships out of it. You know, you can apply that across every realm in your world. Anybody can.
Mimi
That’s great. That’s very well said. I love it.
Angela:
Too many words. Politicians, we can’t say anything short.
Mimi:
No, it was perfect. It really truly is. And I’m so glad you said yes. And you came on and I immediately thought of you when I put this podcast together. Cause when I met you, I was like, that woman is badass. Like honestly, I bet you that one night I was like, she’s gotta be on my podcasts.
Angela:
I felt honored when you called. I was like, Oh wait, cool. Somebody thinks I’m a bad ass. Cause my kids remind me every day. I’m totally not.
Mimi:
Of course they do. Right. That’s what kids are supposed to do.
Angela:
Right. And then someday they’ll hopefully grow up and realize, Oh wait, she kind of is.
Mimi:
They will, they will. At some point
Angela:
That’s right. I keep hanging my hat on that. And in the meantime, I’m going to keep working on it. Cause every day I’m not necessarily a bad ass every day, but you know, some days I’ll be bad-ass enough to make up for the days I wasn’t. Yeah.
Mimi:
But this is amazing. Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you.
Angela:
I had a blast talking to you.
Mimi:
Thank you for joining me the Badass CEO Podcast. If you enjoyed today’s episode, please leave a review and see you next time. Thank you.
